By Joe Beaudoin Jr. | Posted on October 30, 2007 at 11:53 am |
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Drifiting Thoughts
While I don’t do this often, I’d like to note that I’ve written an editorial/opinion piece on who the last Cylon could possibly be here. It’s a pretty solid work, laying out evidence as to who the Last Cylon is and why.
You are more than welcome to critique or discuss the article on the Battlestar Forum by clicking here.
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Hey, interesting theory. It does seem to make sense, with leoben’s comments about “Adama is a cylon”. But to speak honestly here, the thought of either one of the adama’s being a cylon sends shivers down my spine. I was already smashed when i heard that tyrol and tigh were cylons. Maybe it’s dualla? she’s been there since season 1, is in charge of communications and has aided in the councelling of adama…. lol wow, this is actually quite a pathetic theory.. anyways, scratching the theory of dualla being a cylon… i dunno, i really hope it’s not either adama but yeah.. “Whatever happens, happens”
I briefly toyed with Dualla being a Cylon, but since that would be anti-climatic, I threw it out on that basis. RDM and company have a pattern of going for shock value, or “the twist”: Adama getting shot, the one year jump, the reveal of four of the Final Five. Dualla just doesn’t do anything for the story, and her character is a failed one, IMO.
So I narrowed it down, based on behavioral patterns and the “12 archetype” criteria RDM laid down.
Yeah, dualla probably wouldn’t make the best cylon. lol
I’ve been thinking about the adama’s being cylons. Maybe apollo is a cylon half-breed and William is the final cylon. Get this; the final five seem to protect humantiy, seen with the construction of the blackbird from tyrol and the resistance leadership from all of them (..’cept maybe Tory lol) . Anyway, I reckon that the final cylon might be Bill adama because he has never stopped from trying to protect humanity. Even when Lee wanted to leave them at New Caprica Bill never left. Also, (working with the “12 archetype” theory, there’s still no0 cylon model that resembles Bill. In alot of ways Lee is similar to Bill, except that Bill might not get as emotional as Lee. I also think that the final cylon would’ve known that he was a cylon either VERY early in the series or since it began. This would throw in a huge twist!
I wonder if it mentions anything about the final five in the scriptures? It does mention a “lesser demon”, i wonder if it mentions the five?
Honestly, the whole idea of cylon “evolution”, or rather progression, has gotten me totally confused. In RAZOR, we see that the Cylons DID BEGIN as sentient machines (MODEL 0005). After the armsitice, they went full-they rottle in developing the SKIN JOB MODELS for infiltration purposes.
My take on the Final Five is that they represent the first TRULY SENTIENT CYLONs who ended becoming the ruling caste of their newly formed race. However, the whole “..this has happened before & will happen again” line has gotten me even more stumped than ever.
Did the CYLONS exist even before humanity created them?
Has anyone ever considered that Billy could be the final cylon? It is a bit far fechted but he is quite odd in the miniseries he tells the president something like “It is only huma”. And he kind of behaves like a child like he is still exploring this world. But it could be just me because im not that shore that this plot has been planned so from the begining.
I think it’s Dualla. Kara makes too much sense, Adama has a father and the show doesn’t need any more Cylon-human hybrids, and Dualla has always had this sneaky attitude about her. Almost like she knows more than she’s letting on. She’s also trying to get into positions of power. She was dating the president’s aide (Billy), then when Lee became commander of the Pegasus, she realigns with him.
I think the final Cylon is Dualla.
Well, I have learned a lot from these posts but we are trying to figure out the ending like we do a crossword puzzle.
I really do know who the last Cylon is, and I don’t believe anyone else saw it. It’s so plain and right in front of everyone which is why we don’t see it.
Take the final four we know about: they were all ‘humans’ until they discovered they were Cylons.
That these four were revealed at the same time is no coincidence. They were all ‘alive’ (mechanically operational) and in the same proximity to each other on the Galactica.
The Final Cylon would have been revealed if he/she was on the Galactica; they would have heard the music too. So the Final Cylon was NOT on the battlestar. Simple deduction.
Now it gets better. We all suspect that the last one will be a human who fails to realize that they are a Cylon. But, what if we have a Cylon who doesn’t know that they are one of the Final Five? It would fit in as a plot twist quite nicely as the Cylons do not know who the Final Five are and cannot even speak of them. And no known Cylons, save Boomer, were on the battlestar to hear the music. And, as a regular Cylon, she was not programmed to hear the music of the Five.
To the Finale: So we see a flashback of D’Anna in the Temple of the Five, she sees the final Cylon under the hooded robe, she gazes at the face, and sees HERSELF! She is so shocked at seeing herself, almost reflexively says aloud ‘I’m sorry..I didn’t know.’
D’Anna is the Final Cylon.
It all fits the puzzle, folks. She wasn’t on the ship to hear the revealing music, she was boxed and plot-wise, out of the way (for a bigger plot twist, right?), she was a Cylon who was programmed not to think that she was one of the Final Five, hence the great surprise she felt when she saw herself, and so on…
The clincher was in Moore’s hints from the Last Supper tableau. It is revealed that none of those pictured is the Last Cylon (unless Moore lied), and there are 4 humans and 3 Cylons (#6 counts as one). So, we need another Cylon to even ou the count, and that could only be D’Anna.
Of course, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
D’Anna cannot be the last Cylon there are twelve models. She’s already Number Three.
Further, from Ron Moore about why we haven’t really seen the Fifth:
The above is from here.
Well, we do see rules broken in the series, don’t we? Is 12 really an absolute count of the distinct humanoid Cylon models?
There are more models than a numerical twelve would suggest.
Consider:
In BSG: Razor there was the original FIRST hybrid considered distinct and unique. Very much protected and revered in the Cylon scheme of things. Hybrid Prime as you will have it.
Then there were the run of the mill base star controlling hybrids, which Moore considers as Cylon model Zero”:
“In his Battlestar Galactica Podcast, Ronald Moore explained that the Hybrids should be considered a “Model 0″ of humanoid Cylons, an intermediate step between humanoid and mechanical model Cylons.”
So 12 plus Hybrid Prime plus Hybrid Cylon Zero gets us to 14 or so. Interesting how Moore keeps making unique Cylons that are supposed to be completely uniform.
Contradictions and plot twists abound, and one cannot rule out significant pieces of the puzzle when a simple count might be not the true one.
Look how Tony Soprano wound up! Beware the ambiguous ending…
Ellen Tigh is most likely the final cylon. In the “final supper” picture her space is by her husband, Colonel Tigh. There is is a wine goblet in that spot because she was a drunk. It just sems to make sense… maybe.
Here is my theory. It doesnt have a great amount of evidence but I do see some.
Ron Moore said that the final cylon was not in the season four promotional poster.
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2008/04/02/bsg_explainer/index4.html
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169703,00.html
The last cylon may be Ellen Tigh.
Looking at the final four who are with the fleet, all but one of them had a fling with another cylon without knowing it.
Tyrol with Boomer and Anders with Tory Foster (presidential aide) with each other.
Kind of as if they were unconsciously attracted to each other.
If Ellen Tigh were the last cylon that would complete that pattern.
Then there is how Ellen entered the story line.
She had no memory of being put on a vessel and was found after being unconscious for two weeks. Very suspicious.
Adama and the president (I think) had their doubts. At the end of that episode, Number 6 asks Baltar if Ellen really did pass his Cylon detector. Answering with a smirk, he said ‘I’ll never tell’.
One downside is that I know of no instance when #3 and Ellen were in a scene together. Remember that #3 saw the final cylon and said ‘I’m sorry, I didnt know.’
I welcome your comments
Marc
Marc, that’s a good line of reasoning and I did think along those lines, so I have great empathy for the logic.
However, if it were to be Ellen, then consider this: what a great letdown that would be to the plot.
Haven’t we been building up endlessly to this last great revelation? Don’t we EXPECT it to be someone of great significance?
If it is not a truly great surprise, or some huge revelation – someone we are NOT expecting – then the whole plot development goes into the crapper with the rest of this great series.
I think the last of the five is Baltar. If the whole of the BSG is looked at, the character who is most tested and transformed (and will likely continue to be most tested and transformed) is Baltar. (Similar to Star Wars (Anakin/Darth Vader), Dune (Paul Atreides), LOTR (all members of the Fellowship, and Dark Tower/Gunslinger series (Roland) .) Also, like Starbuck, Baltar is repeatedly assured of his destiny in a tale that repeats itself (Kara by the Cylons and Baltar by the entity taking the form of Caprica 6 in his mind). Perhaps, this story repeats itself until Baltar (or one playing the role of Baltar) achieves for himself, all Cylons, and all humans, the redemption required on the way to Perfection.
Another blogger eslewhere reminded us that:
“In Razor the Hybrid says that the 5th will come seeking redemption.”
D’Anna was boxed by Cavil because of her forbidden attempts to find the identity of the Final Five. We know that she is returning to the series and that Cavil said she was being unboxed to the rebels just before the civil war got super-hot with the base stars attacking the rebels.
So, D’Anna is returning. This reinforces my position that D’Anna is the Final Cylon; won’t SHE be “seeking redemption” from the Cavils and others after being freshly unboxed?
Just a thought:
We have 2 hybrid children (from humans coupling with Cylons).
One is a boy, the other is a girl.
Could this be the future Adam and Eve?
Would Ellen Tigh not come seeking redemption? Her “death” was brought about due to her collaboration with the Cylons. I think D’Anna being unboxed and revealed as the final Cylon would be far more anti-climactic than Ellen coming back from the dead. Especially since D’Anna is already a known Cylon, and we already know she’s coming back.
I’m betting my last nickel on Ellen Tigh.
Some bright bulb on another blog said there was a most serious true spoiler from someone familiar with the script who said that the Final Cylon was Dee Dualla!
I don’t think so as I say this:
SPOILER BUSTER: NOT DEE! WHY?
#1. Remember we all heard this mentioned: “In Razor, the Hybrid says that the 5th will come seeking redemption.”
- Other than being a whiny victim lacking in character development on the series, what redemption exactly would she be seeking? From whom? She do something wrong somewhere to someone we didn’t hear about? Asking Lee’s forgiveness for being a drab Galactica wallflower? Please explain this to me someone.
#2. Dee Dualla was on the Galactica, right? Then why in the Wide World of Sports did SHE not hear the ‘Watchtower’ music that was in the ship itself and follow the other Final Four Cylons to the meeting post and make it a fivesome? What: she was busy doing something else? Yes, probably was in her rack crying that Lee left her scrawny butt so he could be a politician. Please!
But I could be wrong…
I have another idea who the Last Cylon might be.
Some claim that Lee Adama could be the last Cylon while others suggest it will be his brother Zack.
I do remember a photo of Zack Adama in Kara’s locker. Brief look we all had at his face, and from a distance.
But, what if they were twins? Identical twins? We never did see a clear shot of that photo, and if they were identical twins that would answer many questions without making Moore a liar and would fit into the Last Supper tableau.
That would explain why Kara – who loved Zack – could love his brother just as fervently. She could love them BOTH as they were identical twins!
Wow! I think we just might have that surprize Final Cylon.
Much to ponder.
Twins would work extremely well and give us a nice surprise to boot.
Much to think about…
And Leoben says ‘Adama is a Cylon.’
Lee and Zack could work as they are both Adamas.
OK, upon further research I see that Zach was the younger brother so they are not twins.
And the photo of Zack of a young man is here: Zak_adama_001.jpg (324 × 461 pixel, file size: 55 KB, MIME type: image/jpeg).
Still, if they were somehow identicals, that would solve the problem very nicely.
My bad!
Several bloggers in other forums have said that Dee ‘Adama’ is the Final Cylon.
It has been well-researched from almost every angle, including the signs of the Zodiac for heaven’s sake!
I am now thinking that it could very well be Dee. Here’s how I got there.
We know now about Kara now and also have some Dee and Final Cylon clue questions that need to be resolved, plus one big conclusion and a prediction:
1.) In RAZOR, the old hybrid said: “And then, they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel.” Now we know who that angel is: On the garbage scow mutiny episode recently, Leoben said Kara was ‘transformed’ and called her an ‘angel.’
2.) “And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.” What redemption will Dee be hungering for? Did she, a very minor character, do something we all missed that requires a ‘hungering’ for her ‘redemption?’ Or will she be seeking redemption for the entire Cylon race?
3.) If the Final Cylon is Dee, then D’Anna is apologizing for being so rude to her those many moons ago when she was a human reporter looking for a good story on Galactica. After all of the death and genocide and lies and betrayals and persecution, heavy sins committed by the Cylons, THIS is the most important thing to apologize for? Of course: This would be a real ‘girly’ ending to the mystery all right!
4.) Again I ask: If Dee was on the Galactica, and we know that she was (because Lee, at his departure, said she “gets the house”) why didn’t SHE hear the ‘Watchtower’ music and why wasn’t SHE drawn into the meeting place like the rest of the Final Five? What was she doing on the Galactica that she couldn’t hear that overpowering music?? Maybe her programming is waiting for something more powerful to awaken her Cylon side?
Again I might be wrong, but the Dee argument leaves many holes to fill and would be highly dissatisfying to boot. Unless…
…and here is the clincher, if Dee was the Final Cylon, that would be politically correct in terms of our society today.
Call it minority recognition or Galactic affirmative action. Here’s how I got there:
First, she is a woman, and females have been traditionally the second sex after men throughout the ages.
Second, she is not Caucasian, but of African stock. It would serve to underscore the importance of Blacks in the past/present/future of the human race.
Third, it promotes the concept of ‘we all are equal not matter what color we are.’ Racial blending implications are significant as Dee is of mixed blood considering those beautiful green eyes. And the entire concept of NOT ‘man vs. machine’ is in reality, ‘man IS machine.’
So, considering that Hollywood likes to make a statement, it probably will be Dee ‘Adama’ as the Final Cylon. It is the most politically correct in terms of woman’s rights and racial equality.
It’s really a crapshoot now, guys and girls. Looks like everybody will be seeking redemption as one of the qualifiers for the Final Cylon candidacy.
This week’s episode was much better than last week’s soap opera IMO.
It was interesting that the hybrid told Kara to her face basically that she would lead them all to destruction.
Maybe Kara will think now she IS a Cylon and will commit suicide. Now where is that pesky Resurrection ship when we need it? (I bet it’s close by.)
Felix Gaeta will need it too, I predict.
Holy crap I thought I was the only one that thought Gaeta was the last Cylon.
Good call my friend. Where do I find the 100 to 1 line in Vegas so I can put all my money on Gaeta!
Seriously people. Go back and take a look. He’s alot more involved in key points of the story than you realize.
Yes I believe that one of the Adamas is the final cylon, but I think you are looking at it the wrong way to seeing which one it is. Yes, looking back at what has happened in the past is very important but what is more important is looking at what is happening in the present and how that is leading to what will happen in the future.
Oh and another thing, why does every one think that the final cylon had to be off Galactica when the others were hearing the music. It was said that the final cylon was lost and still had some big conflict to deal with first, maybe the final cylon just wasn’t ready to hear the music.
Ok, back to the future, in my opinion there are only three canditates for the final cylon, Roslin, Adama senior and adama Junior(the only main characters who currently have no clear destiny). So to the future with Roslin, it is my belief that they have spent so much time on her destiny as the dying leader that they aren’t going to change this so she isn’t a cylon. Adama senior and Adama junior both have major internal struggles which makes them prime candidates to be cylons but let look at Lee for a second. Where is he now, a politition, where will he be in the future after Roslin has died, most probably the new president, as all the main characters need to have a destiny at the end of the series, thats how TV works. So we have an Adama as President and one as Admiral, so which is the cylon. I’m going with Adama senior as I am bringing in the importance of the hybrids and there importance as leader, if Lee was a cylon it wouldn’t work with him being President, but if he was one of these fortold hybrid leaders her could possibly unite both the cylons and the humans as it can be clearly seen that both races want the same thing, each other and Earth. If they stopped fearing each other and hating each other by the time they reached earth, it would be happily ever after and Lee as a half half president could do this.
“And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”
The fifth will save the race from sin – that’s redemption.
The race might be the human race; its sin might be the Cylon or it might be the slavery of the Cylon. The fifth might enable the human race to destroy the Cylon once and for all, or it might enable the human race to accept the Cylon as equal and live in peace.
The race might be the Cylon; its sin might be the destruction of the human race. The fifth might enable the human race to accept the Cylon as equal and live in peace.
When Leoben told Roslin “Adama is a Cylon”, he had no knowledge of who the final five were, and his statement was therefore false and intended solely to unsettle the human leadership, spreading doubt, fear and paranoia. This is in keeping with the Cylon state of spiritual development at the time (Season One, Episode 8). The fifth cannot be Lee or Zak Adama because their father saw them born and grow into children, youths and men. There are no Cylon children.
The fifth cannot be a character who has died, such as Ellen Tigh, or Zak Adama or they would have resurrected and be known to the Cylons.
The fifth can’t be Roslin (the Cylon is not susceptible to cancer). It may also be true that Roslin is not the dying leader prophesied to deliver her people to Earth without reaching it herself. Both Kara Thrace and Gaius Baltar have visions and neither take chamalla. Nor can the fifth be Admiral Adama, who witnessed the earliest experiments of the Cylon to create a humanoid form (Razor).
The fifth might be Gaeta, who worked with the final four for the Resistance on New Caprica, but was separate from them. The fifth might be Dualla, but she’s a weak choice at this stage without character development.
It might be Baltar, whose attempt to discover if he was a Cylon was precipitous, earlier than he is destined to discover the truth.
My feeling is that the fifth has not been in operation in the same manner as the final four. I think it’s possible that the fifth is an open position and needs to be filled by the saviour in the endless circle of existence (”this has all happened before and it will happen again”).
The whole purpose of the inter-existence between Man and Cylon is to produce the saviour, the firstborn of coupling of the two races.
It is the duty of the final four to enable the coming of the saviour – Tigh to support Adama in the protection of the fleet, Tyrol as the father of the secondborn, Hera’s ‘brother’ and protector, Nicky, Tory to support the president in maintaining a semblance of human government, law and justice to provide a civilisation for Hera to be raised in, and Anders to support the Messenger in finding the path to Earth.
I’m confused by the Opera House dreams, which imply that Hera’s mother will be joined by Caprica Six and Laura Roslin in the protection and raising of the child. Has Hera’s blood failed to cure Roslin of Canceror has this not been attempted a second time (yet? Or was it just the blood of a hybrid foetus that worked?).
Hey. You guys ever think about joining the Battlsetar Forum where you can talk there?
Nope, Shane.
We are content to discuss who might be the final Cylon right here.
Thanks for asking, though!
I’m still unwilling to believe that it could possibly be any character as minor as Dee, Gaeta or Ellen ,since they have been planning this since the start of the series so I am still hell bent on it being one of the Adamas, as they are the last remaining of the “destinyless” “human” main character
So I am going to use what i learnt at school the other day. We were shown that sometime people put secret messages and clues in modern artwork such as movie at TV posters and dvd covers. So I had a good look at the season 3 dvd case. OK, I have the Aussie format so I guess the cover might be different for other countries, but I googled it and they all seem to be the same, which in its self is strange, as covers then to vary on the regions. OK on the front cover we have lee (looking kinda sinsister) then six infront (looking all knowing) and then adama senior (looking, well, I don’t know, I never could really read adamas facial expressions). And now a extract from the blurb:
“Will Number six formulate a truce between the Humans and the Cylons?”
So does this point to one of the adamas being human and the other being cylon?
And then there is a little picture on the spine which features Lee. But then six features on the spine of season 1 and adama on the spine of season 2, so why are they all brought together on the cover of season 3.
Why is six the only character to feature on all three covers? And why is the cylon army nolonger pictured on the cover of season 3? Was that also a clue, to season 4 as the cylons, machines rebel in season 4?
I have just seen the last supper promo picture and it occured to me that i have seen most of the poses before in art, (yes, I am an classical art and scifi freak, weird combo I know), most I can’t remember where, but three I do:
1. No. Six is clearly the ‘Ascension of Mary’, Catholic Church. this is probably related to the whole one god story line of Baltar in season 4. Six being the God and Baltar being the disciple/messanger.
2. Gina is the ‘Creation of Adam’, Sistine Chapel. Probably means something along the lines of god creating human, humans creating cylons. God reaching out to humans, Humans reaching out to cylons, which is now being seen in season 4 with alliances being made.
3. This is the interesting one, Lee is clearly put in the position of ‘The Thinker’, which is the ultimate symbol of internal struggle, it is meant to depict Dante (poet) outside the ‘Gates of Hell’ considering his poem. What does this mean? Why is Lee outside the Gates of Hell? and has Lee been writing the story all the way along. In a way I guess he has. He is the one who has caused the most change, from backing Adama to run instead of fight, releasing the prisoners, mutiny against his father and free Roslin, the black market, destroying the resereaction ship, etc
Anyone out there thing that Gaeta’s singing is meaning something significant?
I think it is
Tom Zarek
or
Zak Adama
or
Billy
All are from the first series. 1 is still active.
all would be a shock.
To the people that asked why, if Dee was the final cylon, did she not hear the music, I propose these three logical conclusions.
1) She hadn’t activated yet. There was no purpose for her to go to that room because her programming wasn’t commanding her there.
2) She did activate, but by the time she got there, the door had already been dead-bolted by the other four, and therefore locked out of the room.
3) She was awakened before that, and had no reason to seek out the other four as she already knew/didn’t care who the other four were.
If Starbuck was married with Zak, she would be an Adama.
@Elias: Kara Thrace was never married to Zak Adama. They were engaged to be married, but she was never an Adama by any formal (or informal) marriage.
Has anyone considered the Doctor? He is another who has been around forever. What if he has always been “awake”? And has been wathcing, waiting for the right time to come forward? I was thinking shouldn’t he have known about some of these Cylons priro to them coming out? He worked on all of them. He fixed Tigh’s eye, he birthed Tyrol’s child, he probably performed physicals, tests, etc. You mean to say he never suspected anything? Even after he know about CYLON DNA treating cancer?
Oh and I think the final five know about Earth becasue they came fro m Earth. It goes back to the whole, “it happened before, it wil happen again” thing.
I have three guesses, Lee, Zak or Cain. Lee and Zak not because of the comment Leoben made which was clearly to confuse – I just have a feeling it’s one of them.
Cain would make a great cylon and she definately needs redeeming.
Oh and as for Dee being the final Cylon…….snore pie with yawn sauce. She’s dull, no matter when they could write in for her to make it as shocking as possible it wouldn’t rope me in. She’s a dead end.
In the latest episode D’Anna said that only 4 of the final five are in the fleet, I’d take that to mean that one of the humans that were already on the base ship is the final cylon, i.e she already had one of the five in the bag.
Other possibility is that the fifth isn’t born yet, being the full cylon baby between the six and tigh.
Another thought, if the fifth is the unborn baby then the prophecy would make sense:
“And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”
With what we know from Revelations, the final cylon is not anywhere in the fleet. This eliminates Gaeta, Cottle, Starbuck, Lee Adama, Dualla and everyone else who was not a hostage on the Base ship. So there are three possibilities:
1) The fifth is someone who has already died and is no longer with the fleet. This seems unlikely as all the dead characters (Billy, Ellen, etc) are too minor and we know that the show wants this to be a HUGE shock. Any of the dead characters (including Zak Adama) would be anti-climactic and a let down.
2) The fifth is one of the hostages on the Base ship when D’Anna is unboxed. This includes Baltar, Roslin, Helo, a bunch of minor characters (pilots, marines), and eventually Admiral Adama. We can eliminate all the minor characters for the reasons listed in point #1. The others are also unlikely. Baltar and Roslin would be too predictable and Adama would be too unbelievable (he’s got kids, etc.). Leoban’s claim that “Adama is a cylon” was a red herring and a lie. How would he know anyway? That leaves Helo as the most likely of this bunch and we know that final fives can impregnate regular cylons (see Caprica Six + Tigh). Still, this would seem to be anti-climactic.
3) The last cylon is not a dead character and is neither with the fleet nor on the base ship at the time of the reveal. This would mean it’s a wild card we haven’t seen yet. I think this is the MOST probable. In fact, the final cylon is probably on Earth already and has been there whole time. To make this more likely, and to add shock value, the last cylon is ALSO Starbuck’s mysterious father.
The final cylon as Starbuck’s dad will resolve two major plot points and mysteries at the same time. There is definitely something
that makes Kara different from the other humans. With Kara’s father a cylon, this would make her some kind of hybrid. This would explain A LOT, from her visions and eventual return from “death”, to Athena’s early claims that all the cylons know she’s special, to the baby farm issues and her ability to use figure out how to fly the cylon raider. (No other human ever uses cylon tech in any episode).
The fifth will be the mastermind behind everything who has all the answers. When Kara went to Earth the first time he
probably encountered her, did something, erased her memories, and then
sent her back to the fleet. I’m also betting that he’ll be played by Dirk Benedict (the classic Starbuck). The final cylon has to be some HUGE reveal and nothing could top this. Maybe it would be TOO perfect. The main argument against Dirk Benedict is that he’s trash talked the show a bit on his website in the past. It’s not clear that he’d want
anything to do with this series. (Unlike Richard Hatch, who’s been on board from the start.)
Unbreakable’s interpretation of the prophecy to suggest a baby as the fifth is really interesting. The main problem with this is that we know that all of the final five have already been to earth.
Look carefully at the place they landed on:
Was this really Earth? Or somewhere else?
Did the impressive CGI graphics show any of the familiar Earth continents?
I don’t think so.
And we did see ruins and radioactive soil and old-style buildings (roman architecture) and some kind of vehicles overturned.
But, if it were Earth, where did civilization (13th tribe?) escape to?
Or was this NOT Earth but the place the 13th tribe escaped to . . . and all that happened before happened again?
When will they get to the real Earth?
Will it be past, present, or future Earth?
The baby theory was very interesting….nice job. D’anna seeing the faces of the five and her statement does put a damper on the theory though. This show is so intriguing and the power of suspence….
Lots of interesting theories. the show has given us something to think about – much like “Who shot JR” on Dallas many years ago.
My initial vote was Helo. Giving up his seat to Baltar out of a whim. How did the caprica cylons put together this love plan of theirs with Sharon? Did they suspect he would give up his seat?
There are a few things that I wonder about. Their supposedly were also male “farms”. Was number 6 fertilized and then she came on board with Sharon and Hera. Remember when she told Baltar their baby would be born in that cell? Another was when Boomer from the bayship downloaded Athena’s memories and believes she is now Athena. Her anger at Helo could nanifest into something that has to do with the Opera House. Is that the downloaded Athena chasing after Hera? Baltar being in the middle of everything is another thought. He’s in everyone dreams, even his own, the virtual 6 in his head…hum . He’s played every part from scientist, galactica stud and what is his secret from getting anyone pregnant?, political idiot, befriended the cyclons, befriended the humans….took part in blowing up a couple ships…I dare say, he’s stepped over that line between genius and pyscho and how we all love him. If he did become the fifth, it wouldn’t be a finale stopper but it wouldn’t be unsatisfying either as we would all go, “I KNEW BALTAR WAS THE FINAL FIFTH”!
How could a baby stand upright in a hood so D’Anna could apologise to it in the Opera House?
I don’t think so folks…a little lame isn’t it?
Interesting theory, and well argued, but I just don’t buy Apollo being a Cylon. For starters, my money is still on Roslin – she just seems the most likely to me. Secondly, and more importantly, I had already dismissed Leoben’s ‘Adama is a Cylon’ remark because, if the Significant Seven do not know the Final Five and are ‘programmed not to think of them’ then how on Earth could Leoben know? One way or the other, he should, in theory, have no knowledge of this matter.
Man created the cyclons – some were slaverytyped programmed – some were programmed as soldiers to kill. During the war – the inventor of these cylons (as Einsein did when he slit the atom said…..OOPS! Think these cylons may inniliate all of us, not just the chosen few we wanted. How do I counter program them to stop?
The cylons, gaining superior intelligence caught wind that a reprogramming could happen and they took off for forty years.
The humans at some point either knew or found out what the cylons were trying to do…create themselves in our image and continue to do the humans in.
The humans (colonists) discovered that the cyclons were going to commit genocide on the human race, they had no means of stopping it, so a plan was prepared.
Baltar is a key ingredient. He either figured out or anticipated the cylon infiltration and programmed a back door with certain key players that would lead the remaining survivors to the destined planet.
Knowing that he would be killed in the initial attack, created either a hybrid of himself or a cylon model, programmed with head 6 that he programmed with information only he would be able to decifer on a subconcious level. He could not put initial programming into the sstem as the cylons would gain access to it so its all been coded through his head 6. I think Baltar may have discovered what was going on with the cylons (as I believe he may have invented them) or the colonists may have found out, however, they discovered the initial 7 models somehow and they created the final five that would activate according to the plan in an effort to foil ltheir plan. Some type of jamming was implemented in the programming so that the 7 were not to inquire about them. Remember, the 5 are fundamentaly different. they are the primary steps to the plan and essential to make it work. Kara’s mother, military officer is a part of the counter-plan as I think she may have been one who discovered the cylons evolution. Kara was chosen to ensure that certain events of the plan were carried out. If the colonists needed to ensure that the human race survived, they may have taken the cylon technology, creating hybrids themselves, programmed to carry out certain events. The final events that are suppose to occur would probaby be that – the human cylons and the humans will have to copulate in order to produce one species in an effort to combine the two races and counter the killing machines that was originally programmed. Remember, they will not kill their own.
I like it and I’m sticking to it.
Stay tuned for the –
Hey, there’s another colonial ship out there making all this happen.
While I haven’t read all the posts I agreed with Madcapfeline and William Booth (though not for the same reason about the wine glass).
I believe it’s Ellen Tigh. There’s a lot evidence. I’ll take em one at time. “And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.” Holds some water. She is not in the fleet, she can’t come to the music. If feel these are important factors, if not wouldn’t 5th come to the music as well if the 5th were in the fleet. She was the first suspect as cylon, and we never truly know from Baltar’s answer, but she was cleared in everyone else’s mind by him. Why won’t Baltar say anything? same reason as not ratting out Col. Tigh and the Chief, which he likely would have run tests on. Her death left us off guard as the possible 5th. We never did find out how the guard and prisoner on Cloud 9, if she were a cylon it wouldn’t be too difficult. She is in season 1, hint from Bradley Thompson that it’s likely a someone from season 1. Looking at the last supper picture, if she were in Judas the traitor spot (as compared with Da Vinci’s) she be hovering over Lee maybe flirting with him, as he is trying to ignore her, to the left Col. Tigh looking dead on at Lee with his stare. The trailer for the second half of the season at the end you can hear Col. Tigh voice saying your the 5th, that would be fitting if it were Ellen. As for it needing to be a major character like Apollo, Starbuck, Ros, etc… I believe Ellen would have a lot of shock value especially to Col. Tigh (kind of reminds me of Jimmy Stewart’s character in Vertigo) plus many clues don’t add up for most of the major characters or would be too tacky.
My two cents.
Wayne
One thing to note: D’Anna tells Galactica that there are four of the five on the ship. That rules out most of the main characters except Roslin, Baltar, Admiral Adama, Agathon, Paolo “Redwing” McKay and Diana “Hardball” Seelix.
My guesses would be Roslin or Adama based off of this fact–because otherwise why wouldn’t D’Anna tell them? I think Agathon would be more likely to accept it, given the baby, and the other characters simply aren’t important enough.
When D’Anna was resurrected and she turned to Boomer and said theres an 8, isn’t she suppose to be on the other side and then she made the comment – maybe she sees something shiny…..
Any ideas as to what this may have meant?
I read an interesting post on another website: the commenter claimed that Galactica itself was the final cylon.
Whereas initially this seems deeply implausible (and dissatisfactory), it fits oddly well with the evidence. The music was, according to Tygh, coming from the ship. More than one episode has dwelled on how baseships and raiders are alive. D’Anna apologized to one of the final five — it may have been for firing on Galactica (a lot). And Galactica would awaken in the sense described by the hybrid.
I’m just saying…
The fifth isn’t in the Fleet. Ergo, Galactica’s not the “Final Cylon”.
The Final Cylon is somewhere outside of the Fleet. Either on the baseship, or elsewhere in the galaxy.
I think D’Ana was apologizing for trying to kill Anders back on Caprica.
Anyone notice how all of the Final Four have a capital T in their name?
Galen Tyrol
Tory Foster
Saul Tigh
Samuel T Anders
Although that rule may not apply to the Final, it is an interesting tidbit.
Interesting about the cap T. Kara Thrace, anybody?
“And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”
This sounds like the description of one who is dying. Moving toward the light, suffering terribly? This could be Roslin. I’m not sure what redemption she seeks–maybe for having led humanity to the wasteland of Earth.
It’s Admiral Adama.
He’s the only person not confirmed as a cylon who is going to be in the prologue movie (The Plan).
He wasn’t in the fleet when D’anna said that the 4 were.
Leoben said that he was a cylon.
It would mean that the whole series is a test of humanity, just like the test with Helo and Athena. He is seeking the redemption of humanity.
plus one to jeremy’s theory is that D’anna was very surprised when she saw one of the final five. Admiral Adama is the strongest candidate in my opinion too…
d’anna saw tigh in the temple of five, that’s who she was apologizing to. they tortured him, and plucked his eye out. seeing tigh would surprise her just as much as seeing adama.
After reading all your blogs, I think I know who the final Cylon is…It’s Admiral Caen.
June 25, 2008 9:14PM Post.
As the months went along there was more and more evidence I could see that lead me to believe even more that the last cylon is Ellen. I think in the next few weeks everyone is going to claim they said “I said it was going to be Ellen!” or “Ellen is lame choice.” It’s the internet.
Wayne
It is Starbuck. I base this on the flashbacks of the others so far and her viper smashed there.